It’s exactly what it sounds like, just a place for us to concentrate all our thoughts about what should happen with A1-0 and make the discussion easier to follow
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Alright, might as well get the ball rolling.
The best staring point in my honest opinion would be the “total retcon” stuff that was brought up. Personally, I’m in favor of this idea, with some ideas on what it actually entails. Theoretically, it could get rid of the need for an activity check because anyone not still active just wouldn’t be around to make a new plot request. However, this is probably a bad idea, as it would really just end up giving the map moderators a lot of work. If we wipe the slate clean for A1-0, there’s no reason people couldn’t just re-canonize any lore that isn’t dependent on a now non-existent nation. There could be minor edits as needed, but beyond that any lore someone wants to keep intact shouldn’t really be affected by a “full retcon.” It would give us the breathing room to reform stuff like the Tiyanki Territories (we’ve already had some ideas floated around in that regard), npns (some very strong opinions there), and the rules (ex. figure out a way to prevent any one nation from becoming lore-critical to the sector without putting harsh limitations on the canon). Before we get into that, I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on the concept of a sector-wide retcon.
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Personally, i will likely not be effected so i’m fine with the idea. Personally as well i’d like more defined limits. Because i want to know when the line vetween “higher than average, but reasonable” and “you’re going way too far.”.
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As someone also not affected by this, I’m also fine with this. And honestly yer I agree we should have more limits: it could possibly also help prevent one nation becoming lore dependant.
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Speaking as the canon’s main map manager, yes, I totally support the idea. I also don’t mind putting some extra work on the map (summer is fast approaching and I will have a lot of free time), so don’t feel too constricted on how big you want the changes to be.
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I have already retconned my nation, so I’m not really affected by it, by me its an aye 
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I semi-retconned all my stuff, so I’m fine with the total retcon
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I’m good with the idea, Calerost’s lore is getting a heavy reboot anyways so it isn’t really a problem. But i have a important question: do we keep the same plots or does the map get fully redrawn?
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same, i hope we keep the plots because i already made my plot request
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I was thinking it could just be a preferential thing (i.e the current owner of each plot gets priority with claiming that plot again), but I just realized that that really doesn’t work. I’d say that if you want to keep your list there would be a period of several weeks in which you can sign up for something to keep your plot. I also want to change my plot, I’m just waiting for the activity check or retcon to happen so I can see what plots become available.
edit: sorry, misread the question. It would be the same plots, I don’t really see that great of a need to change anything beyond the TT
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I personally think that even if you retcon your nation you shouldn’t have to claim a new plot or reclaim your old plot. I think it would probably be prudent to just do an activity check where anyone who fails to show up gets booted off the map.
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There’s no real need to change plots, its more a matter of people wanting to. Like I said, even if we do a map wipe we could give people the chance to sign up to not lose their plot, so really the only ones lost are those who aren’t active and people like me who just want to see what plots end up being available (although I’m not sure how common that would be). An activity check and a more instantaneous removal of nations would be doing the same thing, only the removal does it a little faster. Keep in mind, there hasn’t been much A1-0 rp for a month since we’re figuring things out, and between discussion and voting I can see us trying to figure this out for another month or two. Let this be the activity check; anyone who is completely unaware of the situation by the time any action is taken couldn’t be called active.
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I haven’t done literally anything in A1-0 yet, so I’m fine with a full retcon.
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I agree a activity check would do the exact same thing as a full wipe and be less work
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Most of the stuff i did on A1-0 was army equipment so I’m fine with a full retcon.
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While the removal of Stoinia, the NPNs and related has erased most of the last couple of years’ RP progress relating to the TSE, most of the TSE worldbuilding remains rather intact and I’m confident that the most important gaps can be filled with new NPNs and shared lore with other players’ nations. The TSE has been around for quite some time and I wouldn’t wanna reset it, so I’d prefer an activity check rather than possibly having to go through many more retcons.
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Like I said in my first* post, even if we commit to a “full retcon,” there’s no reason you couldn’t choose to keep your current lore with modifications as needed. As for the actual star nations involved, I personally don’t see how a pseudo map reset would disturb the TSE’s lore any more than an activity check would.
*first actual post
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I hope we keep the same. I made a super detailed map and I’d rather not have to do that agin.
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At this point, I think the semantics with “Full retcon” as well as between “Map reset” and “activity check” are dragging this thread down. From what I can tell, the plan is:
Let people retcon lore as they wish, and let active people keep their plots. This, to be honest, is a given. The method with which we clear inactive players is mostly irrelevant- likely some form of activity check. A soft “map wipe” as described by Legend is essentially just another form of activity check as they’re both players affirming their intent to roleplay and keep their plots.
Right now, I think it would be more prudent to consider the following:
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Should the map changes that were being debated before be implemented? if so, in what way? I’m personally of the opinion that we should use the increase in map size to increase the amount of plots that could be available in the future. This will give us some room for map expansion without having to expand into, say, A1-1, or others.
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What NPNs should we keep or add, if any? What should be done with the Tiyanki territories as a concept?
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Are there any reforms to canon rules that should be implemented?
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To that end, we’ve seen an uptick in discussions with potentially great ramifications for A1-0 lately. I think it would be prudent to establish an actual standard for discussions and votes on important changes. As an example, one week of discussion before it can be brought to a vote and two weeks of voting. I started with the concept of a soft reset of A1-0 because I feel like figuring out what we want to do in that regards before we get into other stuff. Since we mostly seem to be in agreement of some sort of widespread retconning, I think it’s safe to move to other topics for the time being.
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