You’re missing the point though. I already use both discords actively. I don’t hide the channels because I use them all. That leaves me either scrolling through all the options, or having un-hide and re-hide the categories each time I want to post
Edit: Right now it’s just me whining, but in the end it may discourage people from actively participating in both sections of the discord.
dude there are 16 channels in the discord when you include citizen channels, public channels, and voice channels. it takes 5 seconds to scroll through them. what are you on about man
Bold of you to assume I counted them
Also it’s between both channels, not sure if you counted both of them
Wdym by both channels?
TSPRP and TSP
Oh, well with the proposed channels it would be 24 channels, which still isn’t much. Many servers have dozens of channels; I find it really gets out of hand once you have more than 40-50.
I said it on Discord, but I’ll restate it here with some other points. Henn’s proposal here is something that should be seriously considered and not dismissed outright. The original idea of having a separate RP server was borne out of having a more wholesome experience with roleplay in TSP. In 2019, TSP had but one channel on the main server dedicated to RP. At the same time, regions like TEP and TNP had separate RP servers with various channels catering to several different canons, and each canon had additional channels for different uses.
At first, the RP server had many different channels, modelled after the other regional RP servers. Since then, the RP server has downsized considerably. I haven’t done the exact math, but it seems that archived channels outnumber the active ones roughly two-to-one. Of the channels that remain in use, only a handful of them are unique channels that you wouldn’t find on the main server and could easily be created. In Henn’s proposal, we’re getting our own lounge, which we could just reuse the old RP channel for, a dedicated mod channel, and the discussion and worldbuilding channels. If we do move forward with the proposal, I would like to see dedicated channels for the wiki and conlangs, which can be easily accomplished by reusing the corresponding archived channels on the main server.
We’ve come a long way as a community and as an interest group within TSP. It used to be that we only had one channel on the main server, but a proposal has been made to give RP an entire category of channels on the main server. I’d advise against dismissing it out of hand because we are essentially getting a full merger if the proposal is amended to include the wiki and conlang channels. And, it’s worth noting that Discord has since added a threads feature that can allow use to create dedicated threads for things like the World Forum and other matters.
Also, this isn’t something that’s set in stone. It may not be the case that this actually happens, and if it does, it doesn’t mean that it’s not reversible. If we end up doing this and decide that we don’t like it, we can return to the RP server. What’s proposed is more than what most other regional RP communities get. And, having an RP category on the main server will greatly increase the visibility of our community, allowing for an easier welcoming and onboarding of newcomers to TSPRP.
Lastly, I want to address the matter of moderation. There have been statements made on this thread and elsewhere that imply that TSP moderation, separate from RP moderation, is heavy-handed in the way they handle things, which is far from the reality of things. The truth of the matter is that the RP server, being a part of TSP, has always been under the umbrella of the Community Standards, the same rules that govern the main server, the RMB, and the forum where we conduct our roleplay. The mods on the main server have always had the same level of authority on the RP server, if they choose to join the latter and can enforce moderation action on the RP server as they do on the main.
However, we have seen that global mods have largely deferred to the RP mods in enforcing the Community Standards on the RP server. That’s evidenced by their lack of involvement in the RP server’s mod channel, which has by and large been conducted by RP mods. Under Henn’s proposal, RP mods will continue to exist in the merger, so I’m optimistic that the current way of moderating within TSPRP will remain largely the same.
In my opinion, I could go either way and still live with it. If we want to keep a separate RP server, I’m game. If we want to reunify RP with the main server, I’m game. I’m just happy that we are past the days of having just one RP channel on the main server. Having more than one allowed this community to grow and thrive, and I can see that happening even on the main server.
P.S. As I was writing this, I remembered that I paid a “lifetime” plan for MEE6 that expires in 2038. So, if we do end up merging the two servers, we could use MEE6 in the RP category on the main server. I have learned that I can now rename MEE6, run polls, and other stuff. Also, I lowkey like having the levels feature that keeps track of the most active people on the server.
Does MEE6 allow configuring which users can change settings and whatnot? If so, we can probably do something like that - We’ve traditionally been wary of overloading the server with bots but if there are sensible reasons to include MEE6, it’s absolutely worth considering.
That being said, what specific features are you looking for? If it’s something we can (easily) do with Coco, that’s by default preferable.
I’ve added some changes to the proposal in the OP that incorporates some feedback from here.
I believe that maintaining some continued separation between TSPRP and TSP-Main would be beneficial for a number of reasons, and would therefore recommend changing this to:
I agree with the above post. It also prevents non-roleplayers from disrupting the flow of rp conversation and requires them to actively show interest in wanting to roleplay before joining in.
Just to clarify, this would mean that anyone without the role would be unable to see the category?
Yes; it would essentially be the “Roleplayer” role a merger of the last 4 listed roles in your original proposal, with the same implication from that proposal that the TSPRP channels would require viewing permissions from said role in order to be visible.
The idea is intriguing, but doesn’t it completely destroy the chance of increased visibility if non role-players can’t see the rp channels?
Yeah, I can’t support any proposal to hide RP behind a role entirely. I’m fine with keeping writing perms to the canon channels locked behind the Citizen role, for instance, and letting everyone else be able to speak in rp-lounge. Roleplayer could have permissions to create new threads, also, and can be pinged by mods for things like the regular map check.
I’ve avoided unilaterally setting up those Discord community features because it looks like they overlap and possibly conflict with the current bot workflow. But I would really like to be able to use them!
This is a slight modification of your original proposal. If I’m going to have to be on the same server as the TSP-Mainers in order to be able to roleplay, then I want there to be a clear, unmistakable delineation between TSPRP and the rest of TSP so that TSP-Main doesn’t corrupt the atmosphere and culture of the TSPRP discord.
You stated in your first reply post that:
Hiding the TSPRP category’s contents under a role does not impede this goal, especially since any new roleplayers will have said role or receive it very quickly after joining. What it does impede is the ability of non-RPer TSP-Mainers to get upset by an RP meme, a discussion, or anything else, and then spam-@ me and/or others in another channel so that they can use the flamethrower there. Hiding channels like #current-events would not prevent this:
Nor would it, as indicated by previous statements, be fully prohibited:
Your stated goal for this merger is to make onboarding for RP easier, but it also pushes the TSPRP community much, much closer to the influence of TSP-Main and its resident community than I feel comfortable with. Hiding the TSPRP category behind a role is a bare minimum measure to prevent caustic behavior that, in my view, will absolutely occur unless deliberately prevented, and which can easily circumvent the current preventative controls as they have been explained in this thread. You yourself said that increased contact between the TSPRP and TSP-M communities was not the goal of the merger,
which means that keeping it to a minimum does not impede any of the results that you want to see from merging the two servers. I would like to emphasize the fact that hiding the channels behind a role was an idea that was proposed by you in this thread, as well as reiterate that I consider the degree of TSPRP/TSP-M community separation enacted by your proposed measure to be the absolute minimum necessary to keep the rate of TSPRP/TSP-M fights at an acceptably low level. If I have to be stuck anywhere near the vicinity of the TSP-Main discord in order to be able to continue roleplaying in TSP, then I would greatly appreciate it and feel reassured if your suggestion were to be enacted as a bare-minimum safeguard.
I still think the onboarding questions (if we can get them to work with the bot workflow, etc.) would solve a lot of problems here. It lets people coming into the server see that we have a roleplay community that they can join if they’re interested, without putting those channels in the faces of people who aren’t interested in roleplay. (Or, if there’s no way to make it play nice with the bot workflow, we could just have a reaction role like our current ping roles or something like that.)
In fairness, I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. It’s more accurate to say we have to be on the same forum as everyone else in order to roleplay… but that hasn’t seemed like a huge concern, even though no roleplay categories here are hidden behind specific roles 
Roleplay Moderator - Access to #rp-mods, able to moderate the category, and grant the roles below
I get the intention here, but I’m not sure we need our RP moderators to decide who qualifies as a roleplayer and who doesn’t — it feels like a bit of an arbitrary line to draw. It also means that it’s harder for people to do things like…
…if they have to become a roleplayer first to join the Discord (channels or server) in the first place.
I understand that there can be legitimate concerns with this proposal, and it’s good that those are addressed with an open discussion, but it concerns me that some members may be seeing RP as a community that should be separate from TSP and with which interaction should be kept to a minimum. That is not a healthy way to approach things.
I just think it would help to bring in new roleplayers if they get a chance to see our rp’s and get a feel for our community before they commit on joining. It will help negate anyone getting upset/shocked after joining, but also just make it generally easier to join and/or actively participate in the community.
We were talking about the mini/extra canons yesterday, and that’s something I still want to do. The only way I see your hidden-channel policy working is if the mini cannons are still accessible to people not in the rp, so they can serve as tutorial rp’s/intro rp’s for both new and old members of TSP who are interested in joining our community.
