Amendment to the Regional Logo

[Utopia]

@Welly

As many of you know, I am a huge spiral fan. Nevertheless, I’m a bit unclear on the need for codifying its place in our regional law. Is there a concern that absent these amendments, we will cease to use the spirals? That strikes me as relatively unlikely.

By this logic the sail logo and the flag never would have been enshrined in the cultural act. The spiral is an image of cultural importance, and is used as the logo of TSP, and thus should be enshrined in the Cultural Act as such.

@Heliseum

This may be just me, but I have always interpreted the spiral as a symbol of the government itself and the black sail as a symbol of the region as a whole.

@chumchumchupiru

i see them both as being important regional symbols, but i think the palm tree represents all of TSP. the spiral represents the government side.

@Hamborn

Spiral for gov, the palm for the region

@Griffindor

If we specifically want to make that the seal of the government then I am okay with that.

I find this interpretation of “spiral =gov, sail = region” fundamentally flawed. The government represents the region, and the only group who has the authority to speak for the region as a whole (or to grant that authority) is the government. There is basically no functional difference between something being the government vs being the region, because it would be the government using it anyways in the same situations.
Also, I would like to remind everyone the spiral is what the forums logo is. The forum is more than the government. The spiral has been and is being used to represent the region as a whole.

@Hamborn

I guess however that the spiral might be reserved to delegate office logo

The delegate already has a spiral:

@Heliseum

Given the seeming consensus that the black sail logo should not be removed, but not rejecting the idea of codifying the spiral, I would like to put forth an alternative version of the amendment. To distinguish between the two symbols, the amendment would rename the existing official “logo” to the official “seal”. Since it is the central symbol of the flag, I do feel seal is a better term than logo. Given as well that we tend to use the spiral in more functional places, logo fits better. I’m open to differing opinions on this, however.

I think if we were to do this, it would be better to outline general use cases. I would also argue that for this amendment the Spiral should be the seal while the Sail should be the logo, as the Spiral is used with announcements, communications, and similar by the government, while the Sail in the modern day simply is an image that broadly represents TSP but largely doesn’t see use in official capacity anymore. Both represent TSP, but the Spiral is the one that is currently used in official capacities, and thus aligns better with a Seal’s use vs simply being a logo. They could also both be logos while the Spiral is also a seal.

I suggest the following amendment instead:

@coco

4. Regional Symbols

[…]

(2) The Spiral is an official logo and the official seal of the Coalition of the South Pacific. It consists of a white spiral on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Spiral is as follows;

(2) (3) The Sail, Palm, & Star is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific. It consists of a white palm tree upon a black sail, with a white star in the lower left corner of the sail. The black sail surmounts a a South Pacific Blue circle, with a white ring surrounded by a thinner South Pacific Blue ring.

1. An example of this logo the Sail, Palm, & Star is as follows;

(3) (4) […]

(4) (5) […]

This amendment does change the standard of how they’re reffered to in the law by naming them, which I did because it was the easiest way to phrase it that came to mind.

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We could also take this opportunity to enshrine the other spirals in law as well

Adding in all the spirals does hold the problem of there aren’t any defined ministries, but that can be worked around.

@coco

4. Regional Symbols

[…]

(2) The Spiral is an official logo and the official seal of the Coalition of the South Pacific. It consists of a white spiral on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of The Spiral is as follows;

(2) (3) The Sail, Palm, & Star is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific. It consists of a white palm tree upon a black sail, with a white star in the lower left corner of the sail. The black sail surmounts a a South Pacific Blue circle, with a white ring surrounded by a thinner South Pacific Blue ring.

1. An example of this logo the Sail, Palm, & Star is as follows;

(3) The Scroll Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Assembly. It consists of two white lines extending in, with the left curling up and the right curling down at their ends, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Scroll Spiral is as follows;

(4) The Swirl Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Delegacy. It consists of two white curves swirling inwards, meeting at the center, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Swirl Spiral is as follows;

(5) The Scale Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the High Court. It consists of a white line extending upwards, with two curves angled down from its top, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Scale Spiral is as follows;

(6) The Gear Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of Administration and Moderation. It consists of six white circles spaced evenly on the edge, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Gear Spiral is as follows;

(7) The RMB Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of On-Site Moderation. It consists of three white lines extending inwards from the left, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the RMB Spiral is as follows;

(8) The Owl Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Office of World Assembly Legislation. It consists of two white curves curling inwards from the sides to form a pair of circles, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Owl Spiral is as follows;

(9) The Trident Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the South Pacific Special Forces and the Ministry responsible for military matters. It consists of three white lines extending upwards, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Trident Spiral is as follows;

(10) The Double Wave Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Ministry responsible for Foreign Affairs. It consists of two white curves reaching inwards from the left, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Double Wave Spiral is as follows;

(11) The Eye Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Ministry responsible for Integration, Recruitment, or Engagement. It consists of two white circles, one inside the other, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside another white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Eye Spiral is as follows;

(12) The Filigree Spiral is an official logo of the Coalition of the South Pacific and the official seal of the Ministry responsible for Culture and Events. It consists of four white curves reaching inwards then away, on a South Pacific Blue background, inside a white circle with a Tropical Orange border.

1. An example of the Filigree Spiral is as follows;

(3) (13) […]

(4) (14) […]